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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Liviforever on Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:45 am

Looking back at archives it's a different amount of point every season for you to finish 3rd, we did it with 58 points, last season that would have gotten you 5th, season before you'd have finished 4th. Reckon we'd need to do even better than the team of 2001/02 and be in the high sixties to finish 3rd, so you can't really compare points.

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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Durnford on Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:49 pm

Liviforever wrote:Looking back at archives it's a different amount of point every season for you to finish 3rd, we did it with 58 points, last season that would have gotten you 5th, season before you'd have finished 4th. Reckon we'd need to do even better than the team of 2001/02 and be in the high sixties to finish 3rd, so you can't really compare points.

Yes; the target gets more challenging if the teams at the bottom fail to pick up a reasonable tally of points; meaning that those at the top get a bigger share. As things stand it looks like Dundee will struggle to amass 12 point this season. That being said, if one team at the top starts to run away with it, the totals needed for top three could reduce accordingly.

On previous years we would normally need 44 points to achieve top six after 33 games; that's 14.67 points after 11 games. However, with 18 points already in the pot that leaves a total of 26 to get from the next 24 games. Of course if we win our next game against St Johnstone that total becomes 23 points from 23 games.

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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Liviforever on Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:19 pm

I just want us to keep racking up those points and seeing just how high we can climb, really looking forward to the tougher games too. Can't wait for Celtic at home and Sevco away, I feel we can win both of those games and it would blow the so called experts minds, esp gubbing Sevco at Ibrox playing on grass. Grass, plastic, home or away, this Livi team can win anywhere playing on any surface.

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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Troy on Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:23 pm

Cant really add to whats already been said about yesterdays performance.Magnificent display against agueably the worst Dundee team ive seen in years.Back 3 were superb and fully deserved their goals.Well taken set peices that blew the Taysiders away.Still trying not to get carried away here but these lads just keep delivering and its great to watch.Miller was fairly anonomous throughout the game which Livi basicly controlled from start to finish and thoughrally desrvrved the 3 points.St Johnston up next will be tough but they all are but like Dunford ma heid is buzzin at the moment and we fear no one.Well done to Gary Davie and the boys.Keep it going. bounce

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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Durnford on Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:36 pm

Liviforever wrote:I just want us to keep racking up those points and seeing just how high we can climb, really looking forward to the tougher games too. Can't wait for Celtic at home and Sevco away, I feel we can win both of those games and it would blow the so called experts minds, esp gubbing Sevco at Ibrox playing on grass. Grass, plastic, home or away, this Livi team can win anywhere playing on any surface.

Sevco worry me only because of the bias that they seem to get from the referees nowadays. With the two penalties they were awarded today against Hamilton; was there really any chance Dallas would have awarded them the other way if Hamilton had been the beneficiaries? Personally I think not and even less likely at Ibrox in front of a swarm of biggotted mouthy coin throwers. The Morelos "contact" in particular was laughable.

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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Durnford on Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:22 am

Having watched the highlights (the proper ones; not the Sportscene ones that make it look like a 50/50 match) and must say I think Lawson's delivery of that corner for Lithgow's goal was almost inch perfect.

He knows exactly were he wants it to go and it dips shapely at the end leaving the goalkeeper no chance. I've criticised the Dundee defence in the past but they really needed two guys on Alan; the one guy marking him was stopping him from running in but, short of pushing him over and risking a penalty, I'm not sure there's much else he could do. Alan actually barely needed to move.

Virtually any team in the league would have had trouble defending that one.

As for Lawless' goal; Lithgow's dummy run deflected the attention of the goalkeeper but sublime shot by Steven Lawless anyway.
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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Liviforever on Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:28 pm

Yeah the first goal was put right on top of Dec's head at the back post and an easy header back across goal.

2nd was put more towards goal Halkett headed it on his blind side taking it away from the keeper. It caught them out because they were more concerned with marking Dec.


3rd one I was sitting thinking put it on target and it could go in, it was an inswinger into a crowded box, Lithgow ducked under it and the keeper was left rooted to the spot not knowing where the ball was, clever play.


4th was as you described it D, also note they had a man on the post but it still beat him, Lithgow headed it off the defenders body just inside the post.


Problem opposition teams have is highlighted right there, we have players who can score directly from free kicks and several others who can get on the end of them, you could chuck Lamie in there with the 3 CB's as a very good winner of balls in the air, tough to mark all 4 of them, plus Dolly is a tough guy to push out of the way when he's making himself an obstacle for defenders/the keeper.


McIntyre and a few others are going on as if a set piece goal doesn't really count when you score from them, it's up there with the playing football the right way pish. It just adds to our arsenal, if teams are stuffy making it difficult to get a shot at their goal we can also score from set pieces. It got England to a World Cup semi final.
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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Bertie Bassett on Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:00 pm

Please don't compare us to England; we're far more entertaining!

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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by orco on Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:57 pm

Our last 5 goals have all been from set pieces. bounce
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Post by Liviforever on Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:40 am

Yeah and FOUR of them in the one game against Dundee. it's a 50/50 split after bagging those goals on Saturday, but then they're shifting the goal posts and adding 2nd balls from set pieces (Lawless against Accies, and Robinson against Celtic), may as well add another 2 or 3 touches and you'd get Hamilton's goal against St Mirren too. Laughing

Like our style of play, knowing what we can do is one thing, stopping us from doing it is another. Very Happy

Ironically it has been against the lesser teams we've scored from them, against the bigger teams we've scored from open play, you'd think it would be the other way around.
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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Bertie Bassett on Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:42 am

On the other hand, the better teams should be able to defend set pieces better than the lesser sides.

At what point does play from a dead ball stop being a “set piece”? Some of our play off goals were described as set pieces because the play started from our throw in & 3 or 4 passes later we scored... to me they are from open play.

The 4 on Saturday were delivery, header, goal - with the Lawless goal missing out the header. So all are clearly set pieces. But when someone takes possession from a throw in it surely becomes open play because you can’t predict in training when a tackle will occur.

Regardless, all goals count the same, how you get the ball in the net is irrelevant as long as it is within the laws of the game.

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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Durnford on Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:22 am

Seem to recall SportScene (I think) talking with disdain about one of our goals in the first play-off against Partick that came from a long trow in by Lithgow. As far as I can recall it was headed on by one of our guys on the edge of the penalty area; another player (possibly Pittman or Robinson) did a short pass to Thompson (I think) who squares it off to Keaghan on the opposite side of the penalty area and Keaghan hammers it home.

However, according to the TV pundits, that was a goal from a set piece ... oh and its also not the proper way to play football apparently.

Probably got the names wrong but check for yourself between 40 seconds and 1 minute

https://vimeo.com/270589962

Is this really a set piece?
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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Liviforever on Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:17 pm

We went years without having a decent threat from set pieces, Keaghan has really hit a purple patch with his deliveries. Lawless is pretty decent at them too. Last season it was mainly Mullin taking them so it's good that somebody else has stepped up and is just as good.
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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Liviforever on Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:42 pm

Durnford wrote:Seem to recall SportScene (I think) talking with disdain about one of our goals in the first play-off against Partick that came from a long trow in by Lithgow. As far as I can recall it was headed on by one of our guys on the edge of the penalty area; another player (possibly Pittman or Robinson) did a short pass to Thompson (I think) who squares it off to Keaghan on the opposite side of the penalty area and Keaghan hammers it home.

However, according to the TV pundits, that was a goal from a set piece ... oh and its also not the proper way to play football apparently.

Probably got the names wrong but check for yourself between 40 seconds and 1 minute

https://vimeo.com/270589962

Is this really a set piece?


Funnily enough Partick's goal came from a throw in too and only had 2 passes  before they scored, didn't hear anyone say they scored from a set piece/throw in though.  

Miller was the one who got the knock down, did the exact same thing for Keaghan's goal in the away leg too, and Byrne laid it off for his shot.

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Re: Livi v Dundee

Post by Durnford on Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:47 pm

So the next question is can a goal scored with a couple of moves after a goal kick also be a set piece?

Keaghan has been absolutely excellent with set pieces but Lawless; Robinson and now Lawson also have their moments.

Pittman and Byrne could be good but they're generally back defending at the time.

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