League Reconstruction

Bertie Bassett wrote:Interesting to hear that Livi supported the Huns motion for an independent enquiry into the vote that ended the lower divisions season... especially when they were one of the first to publicly commit to supporting that proposal... so the club has supported the motion to terminate the lower league season, supported the motion to consider reconstruction & supported the motion to investigate the procedures of the first motion.... seems a little strange... have we got a bunch of “yes” men? Did someone not understand what one of the motions was? Also... we had a board statement on the original vote & on the reconstruction idea but we have heard nothing as to why we have supported the latest motion.

He's given his reason on the Livi FB page.

John Ward We voted with a caveat that no one should be suspended. The management of the process was shambolic in that Dundee were allowed to change their vote. We also felt that the potential payback to broadcasters could severely penalise clubs next season and this should have been made clear when the proposal was put out. The reconstruction was a bone that was thrown to get the agreement and it was thrown out last Friday without even a proposal being put together. We also felt that if there was no enquiry or audit of the process and how decisions were taken then we will never put this behind us. Hope that explains

Dunno what an inquiry would accomplish tbh, is it to get the whole thing scrapped to start again, that's just compounding the shambles further. We all know the self interest reasons most clubs are voting for this, has nothing to do with the good of the game. Just get it done and have recriminations later when the season is finished. Though it now looks like there wont be any, unless one of these eejits are going to take things further and go to a civil court. Doubt any will though, they'll moan about it and make threats about seeking legal advice etc, but that'll be as far as it goes.

Cheers LF... I just wish the club would use ALL their online platforms to release info like that. IMO the OCS should be the platform where such information is shared first, putting it on the social media platforms should come after that.

So basically, they agreed with the motion to end the lower divisions but always had the concept of reconstruction as an option that needed to be explored. Once “Dundeevotegate” became known they decided that this was an issue that needed investigating for the sake of transparency in the running of the SPFL & reconstruction getting canned before the task force could even get a formal proposal together just added to the perception that the board of the SPFL were not being open & honest.

That makes the club’s decisions seem much more consistent rather than apparently just voting yes all the time.

(Edit... after posting this, the OCS now has the explanation)

What would an inquiry achieve? I think the basic premise of it would have to be to ensure the SPFL is being run openly & honestly, it should not be a vehicle for overturning decisions unless corruption was discovered.

The fact it has been knocked on the head means that won’t happen & in a way that’s a shame as I’m convinced there is incompetence within the game’s hierarchy that could have been eliminated had an inquiry gone ahead.

Ending the season now doesn’t sit well with me as there are sufficient games left to change the overall picture but on the assumption that those games cannot be played & with no prospect of any reconstruction (which would at least reward the divisional winners throughout the “pyramid”) then the positions based on points per game has to be the final outcome & there must be promotion & relegation (Even though I agree with Club statement that clubs should not suffer as a result of the pandemic - but that only becomes viable with reconstruction) because if they were to be suspended due to the curtailed season then it would be wrong to declare anyone as champions & that would only grant the Govanites their wish & would have repercussions for next season’s European competitions.

Interesting club statement from Cally....

https://www.facebook.com/ICTFC/posts/3172911569399737?__tn__=K-R

Durnford wrote:Interesting club statement from Cally....

https://www.facebook.com/ICTFC/posts/3172911569399737?__tn__=K-R

Jesus!!! That boy loves a statement, mini war & peace there.

Gardiner has come across as a hun acting on the best interests of Sevco, at the cost of Caley, his original plan was to void the season, so Celtic wouldn't be crowned Champions and get 9IAR, that wouldv'e cost Caley over 100K in prize money, as the money would've been split 10 ways, and their 2nd place prize money would've dropped from 400 and odd thousand to 300K.

His claims of bullying have been refuted by Dunfermline's Chairman, backed up by several others in the Championship, saying it was in fact Gardiner who was aggressively seeking to back Sevco's proposal.

That statement also incorrectly saying 'but not to relegate Brechin', it was actually not going to mean Brechin would be in a play off for relegation, big difference, as a few clubs have successfully avoided relegation in the play offs. Same as Caley would've been playing in a play off for promotion, and not being promoted automatically.

Funny how it is making accusations of bullying and going on about publicly doing so, when that's exactly what Caley keep doing, good luck with their 'we have no enemies' patter, they've made quite a few over the past couple of weeks. The Championship will be interesting next season with all the bad blood Caley has against it now.

I think the fact our own board are questioning the integrity of the hierarchy gives more credence to ICT’s position on the matter. It certainly highlights the incompetence.

We all know that the blazers & old pals network within Scottish Football needs an overhaul & until that happens we will remain a footballing backwater at club & international level. While our own club has been on an excellent run & we have had a great deal of excitement, that has largely been because there is a high level of parity below Celtic, with probably only the Govanites making minor inroads into closing the gap.

Bertie Bassett wrote:I think the fact our own board are questioning the integrity of the hierarchy gives more credence to ICT’s position on the matter. It certainly highlights the incompetence.

We all know that the blazers & old pals network within Scottish Football needs an overhaul & until that happens we will remain a footballing backwater at club & international level. While our own club has been on an excellent run & we have had a great deal of excitement, that has largely been because there is a high level of parity below Celtic, with probably only the Govanites making minor inroads into closing the gap.

We know their a pretty vindictive bunch; remember the furor over the Kachloul saga - okay it was the SPL but what's in a name?

Why do the ugly sisters get the majority of the TV money when virtually all of the games are actually televised on grounds other than Celtic Park or Ibrox (other than the OF derby that is).

Why do they bend over backwards to accommodate the old firm because they have a fixture build up; etc. etc.

As for the voting thing where anything needs a 11-1 majority - well nothings really going to change.