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    Post by orco Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:33 pm

    I'm trying to get my head round Morelos getting away with 3 separate offences in the OF game.  Each one IMO should have been punished.Yet he gets off scot free. According to the SFA they can't do anything because the referee saw the incidents.  How does this tie in with the Jack Hamilton incident?  The referee saw that and issued a red card. This was deemed to be wrong and the red card downgraded.  So the referee's action can only be re-considered if he does something.  A referee's inaction can't be re-considered even if he has been wrong not to act.
    There is something not right there.

    If Beaton saw those incidents and decided not to do anything he should be pulled up for it but he won't be.

    Incompetence or corruption? scratch
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    Post by Liviforever Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:22 am

    Menga got done by the CO after trial by media/sportscene alerting her to his supposed headbutt of Christie too. Morelos seems to have a charmed life getting off with everything. Naismith and Brown have got away with some decisions too, things that were far worse and more blatant than Menga's.

    And why wasn't O'Dea done for simulation after it was shown Hamilton didn't touch him in the face and had his red card rescinded, total farce this CO's decision making.
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    Post by Durnford Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:41 am

    You could also quote the Killie player, Jordan Jones, who dived to win a penalty against Dundee. The referee saw the incident and awarded the penalty. The boy was subsequently given a two match ban for simulation.

    Surely the referee SAW the incident there as well?

    And for the Menga incident the ref ended up speaking to both players but the compliance officer decided to take action - funny that it was the rangers that benefited from Menga being out?
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    Post by Auld Nick Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:34 pm

    Go back a couple of seasons to Talbot’s high boot against Hearts. If I remember rightly a foul was given and possibly a yellow card... ref saw & punished Talbot but he was subsequently given a ban as if it had been a red card.

    It is a case of gross incompetence & making it up as it happens.
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    Post by Liviforever Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:03 pm

    Scratch my earlier comment about O'Dea, he's now been given a 2 match ban for simulating being elbowed in the coupon.
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    Post by Durnford Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:24 pm

    Actually find this interesting:

    http://www.celticfc.net/news/15556

    Much though I'm loathed to agree with anything the bigot brothers do I have to think the powers that be need to be called to account. At the end of the day it is the clubs that pay for their existence and the supporters pay for the clubs. Surely we have a right to expect a degree of fairness and consistency?
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    Post by orco Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:03 pm

    Yes. I think it is the fact that there were three incidents by the same player, all worthy of action from the referee, that got people talking. The kick on Brown and the handling of Christie's private area warranted at least a yellow. The stamp on Ralston was a straight red. Beaton was wrong to take no action so there should be a means to overrule him.
    If referees want respect then they need to admit when they are wrong.
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    Post by Durnford Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:26 pm

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/referee-rage-john-beaton-willie-13829666

    I'm in danger of agreeing with the daily record - what a horrible thought
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    Post by Auld Nick Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:48 pm

    There really isn’t that much of the journo’s own thoughts though, it’s mainly from their “source” & other quotes. So I wouldn’t get too upset with yourself D. lol!
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    Post by Liviforever Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:34 pm

    Couple of things need addressed from that story, if a ref has admitted to not seeing an incident properly then why has he given a card?

    And if he got it wrong why hasn't the CO dealt with it retrospectively?

    The SFA are also needing to be consistent with their decision making, you can't have one incident being dealt with and given a ban and then dismiss another saying the referee saw the incident so there is no case to answer. He also saw the one that got punished by the CO, so that makes no sense at all, and just makes them look corrupt/incompetent.

    They are taking fans and managers for fools if they think nobody will see how much a mess their CO is making of this and the nonsense she is talking when giving reasons for lack of consistency. The SFA need to get their act together and have a clear set of rules so everyone knows where they stand. Nobody is expecting the officials to not make mistakes, but having a CO in place is supposed to rectify those mistakes, not make them bloody worse.
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    Post by Auld Nick Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:30 pm

    She is clearly out of her depth & should be replaced by a blind, African lesbian, that way they can tick off all their minorities quotas in one go & the successful candidate would still have more of a clue than the current incumbent.

    In all honesty there needs to be a complete clear out at the SFA, it is an asylum run by the inmates.
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    Post by Durnford Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:23 pm

    Bertie Bassett wrote:She is clearly out of her depth & should be replaced by a blind, African lesbian, that way they can tick off all their minorities quotas in one go & the successful candidate would still have more of a clue than the current incumbent.

    So long as they're the grand wizard of the Govan lodge.....
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    Post by orco Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:12 am

    Rangers v Albion Rovers - Scottish Cup 2014
    After being reminded about this game on another forum I dug out the footage.  The Rangers equalising "goal" comes at around 06.18 minutes in.  How it stood I never understood.  I do now though.  Note who the referee is.  Rolling Eyes

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/scotland/26507727
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    Post by Liviforever Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:48 pm

    Not enough evidence for the compliance officer to act on Defoe going down untouched to get a penalty against St Mirren, don't know why that surprises anyone right enough, the CO is a joke with her Sevco bias overturning every red card they get and ignoring everything the ref has missed in a match, citing lack of evidence when it is there on the TV highlights for everyone to see.

    Total waste of a wage having a CO, the SFA are making it really tough for anyone to take them seriously, they're certainly going well past the point of incompetence and looking more and more corrupt by the minute.
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    Post by Auld Nick Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:39 pm

    And it’s high time the sycophants in our daily press got off their increasingly fat backsides & did some real investigative journalism to expose the Sham Football Association & air it’s filthy laundry.
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    Post by orco Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:11 pm

    I think what has saved Defoe is the fact that he got up straight away.  There is no doubt in my mind that he was looking for a penalty but he has realised he wasn't touched and was cute enough to get back up quickly.
    However if Dallas has an SPL/Championship game for the rest of the month then they are not serious about improving refereeing.
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    Post by Liviforever Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:49 pm

    He was looking for a tackle coming in for him to go down (anticipating a challenge), it didn't come but he went down anyway because that was his intention, whether he got up straight away or not doesn't detract from the fact he was fully intending to simulate a foul tackle. All of which was fully evident from the TV footage.

    The anticipating a challenge and going down patter is just a fancy way of saying diving/cheating.
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    Post by Auld Nick Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:05 pm

    Agree on that. I also hate it when the forward “dangles a leg” so that a defender will make contact.
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    Post by orco Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:30 am

    The one that really gets me is when the player clicks his own heel making it look like he was tripped.
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    Post by Liviforever Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:21 pm

    The CO would prob say there was inconclusive evidence of a Sevco player deliberately clicking his own heels to go down for a penalty. If VAR is going to be judged by folk with likeminded opinions then it'll be a waste of money too.

    It would be an interesting experiment to run all these cases looked at by the CO through a computer, taking away the team colours and players identity and seeing how she views all the incidents, then comparing them to the ones she's made when knowing the player and who he played for.
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    Post by Auld Nick Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:00 pm

    McGregor deliberately hacked a an Aberdeen man tonight after catching the ball; Madden could see it but did nothing. I’d have given a pen & a red card because if players can be penalised for catching a player accidentally after winning the ball then they should definite be penalised for deliberately hacking an opponent after winning the ball. If he had caught the ball & punched the guy he’d have been sent off so why not when he kicks him?
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    Post by Liviforever Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:34 pm

    He's got form for that against Aberdeen, deliberately stamped on one of their players when he jumped up and caught the ball in their last match at Aberdeen, and guess what, he got away with that one too. No danger the compliance officer will do anything either. Yet Dolly got a 2 match ban when he didn't actually make any contact with his head, just gestured it towards the Celtic bhoy.

    Course we were playing Sevco next when Dolly got his suspension from the CO. Trying hard not to be suspicious about the motive behind that decision but with all the other stuff favouring Sevco it is difficult to think otherwise.

    Just seen Morelos had a red card again, wonder if this one will stick or if it'll be overturned again.
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    Post by orco Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:04 am

    If they appeal the Morelos red card then they are taking the Mick.
    McGregor deserves a retrospective ban for that studs challenge. However it will probably be considered inconclusive as usually is the case in games involving Rangers.
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    Post by Auld Nick Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:13 am

    Credit to the ref for taking his time over McKenna/Morellos because he initially looked like he was going to send of McKenna immediately but he stopped short & consulted the Lino.

    Still sent McKenna off but as I saw it Morellos was the aggressor, pushed McKenna over and studded his thigh (McKenna was on his back with his legs in the air) - didn’t stamp but deliberately pressed his studs into McKenna. McKenna’s legs had to go somewhere after that & as they came back down Morellos was still standing over him, McKenna’s foot may have made minimal contact & Morellos went down holding his face & rolling around like the “best” play-actors do. When he got up there wasn’t a mark on him & looked shocked to be shown the red card.

    I think McKenna should appeal his but IMO it won’t be overturned as it happened against them.
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    Post by Liviforever Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:52 pm

    Morelos was doing the old pretending to be injured and the ref wont red card me routine.

    Sevco will prob appeal his sending off, as Michael Stewart said on Sportscene, his last red card was far worse than that one and they successfully appealed it so why wouldn't they appeal this one, it's like their defender fouling us all game in our last match, he kept getting away with it so why would he stop doing it.

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