Premier Sports Cup Draw

Draw is on Wed at 1pm.

Pot 1
1 Ross County
2 Livingston
3 Hibernian
4 St Mirren
5 Aberdeen
6 St Johnstone
7 Dundee
8 Kilmarnock

Pot 2
9 Arbroath
10 Inverness CT
11Patrick Thistle
12 raif
13 Hamilton Accies
14 Morton
15 Ayr United
16 Dunfermline Athletic

Pot 3
17 Queen of the South
18 Cove Rangers
19 Airdrieonians
20 Montrose
21 Queen’s Park
22 Alloa Athletic
23 Falkirk
24 Peterhead

Pot 4
25 Clyde
26 Dumbarton
27 East Fife
28 Kelty Hearts
29 Forfar Athletic
30 Annan Athletic
31 Edinburgh City
32 Stenhousemuir

Pot 5
33 Stranraer
34 Stirling Albion
35 Albion Rovers
36 Elgin City
37 Cowdenbeath
38 Bonnyrigg Rose
39 Fraserburgh
40 Buckie Thistle

Anyone willing to bet against us getting Raith in our group?

Are they still doing it semi-regionally?

Auld Nick wrote:Are they still doing it semi-regionally?

No

Group G: Livingston, Inverness Caledonian Thistle, Cove Rangers, Kelty Hearts, Albion Rovers

Some group we're in, beaten Premiership finalists and 2 strong up and coming newly promoted teams, piece of pish.

In previous years we've been quite lucky in the teams we've drawn but that is a tough one. We'll need to win it I think because only the 3 best runners up go forward.

Just don't take it to pens against Kelty, DJ was always shit hot at saving them.

Arguably the toughest group we’ve had. What’s the betting we get Cove & Caley away?

Auld Nick wrote:Arguably the toughest group we’ve had. What’s the betting we get Cove & Caley away?

Pretty sure we'll get Caley at home, they'll be the 2nd seeds and we'll be 1st, and as such will get home advantage against 2nd. That's why we were at home to Raith last season.

I think we'll be home to ICT & Kelty, away to Cove & Albion Rovers.

Liviforever wrote:

Auld Nick wrote:Arguably the toughest group we’ve had. What’s the betting we get Cove & Caley away?

Pretty sure we'll get Caley at home, they'll be the 2nd seeds and we'll be 1st, and as such will get home advantage against 2nd. That's why we were at home to Raith last season.

I think we'll be home to ICT & Kelty, away to Cove & Albion Rovers.

As i thought.

Good one to start with, easing our way back into the season with the weakest team. Tough from thereon in though, take it we'll have a couple of friendlies lined up prior to these games, to get the cobwebs shaken off.

Yeh,agree L/F.Should get us up and running in a undoubted tough group.Looking forward to going back to Big Owens Bar in Coatbridge. Haven't been their for a few few years,but just up the hill from the stadium,perfect.Train from Livi North takes you straight there.Great start to the season. .

Things becoming a bit clearer now, still some games to be played tomorrow night but it's looking like we still needs favours from other teams in the final games on Saturday. There are 4 or 5 3nd placed teams as good or better than us, the ones on the same points as us have better GD's some +5 to our +1, so doubtful we can make that up against Kelty, unless we score about 8.

If we win we'll be on 9pts

Group A's 2nd team is Raith on 5pts and out of the running.

Group B's 2nd team is Killie on 7pts, looking likely this groups runner up will be above us

Group C's 2nd team is Dunfermline on 6pts and a +6 GD, still permutations that could turn this around for us but as it stands it looks likely they'll finish above us.

Group D's 2nd team  is Falkirk on 5pts but still to play 2 games, so need to see what happens tomorrow with them.

Group E's 2nd team is Airdrie on 7pts, good thing for us is they play Arbroath on Sat, who top their group on 9pts, win for Arbroath would put them out the running, but as it stands they're above us on PTS and GD.

Group F's 2nd teams are QoTS & St Johnstone on 5 PTS, both out the running if we win ours.

Group G is us and we need to beat Kelty to be on 9 PTS and in with a chance of progressing past the group stages.

Group H's 2nd team is QP on 6 PTS and + 5 GD, Accies are also on 6PTS with a +3 GD, both play one another on Saturday so still wide open for things to go pair shape for both of them, hopefully a draw and both would be out.

Groups in bold are currently better than us and will finish above us if they win their final games, so lots still to play for and nothing is certain for us progressing, even if we win.

Raith have 6 points, presumably they won a pen shoot out - good news is they are away to Aberdeen on Sunday

I’m going to stick my neck out and say regardless of what happens on Saturday we are out

Auld Nick wrote:Raith have 6 points, presumably they won a pen shoot out - good news is they are away to Aberdeen on Sunday

I’m going to stick my neck out and say regardless of what happens on Saturday we are out

Says 5 PTS on the BBC groups page. Which would be a win, a defeat and a draw and a bonus point in the pen shoot out. I'll check their results.

Raith 1-1 Stirling Albion (Stirling won the pen shoot out). 1 point

Raith 6-0 Peterhead. 3 pts

Dumbarton 0-0 (Raith won the pen shoot out). 2 pts

Yeah so 6pts, typical bbc, got the results yet can't add them up into their groups. Hopefully the rest is right cause i aint going through every result to check.

We're in a slightly better position than last season right enough, where we finished on 8 pts and somehow scraped through as a best of the runners up. Going against us is an extra European place*, 5 teams in Europe which leaves 1 less runner up qualifying when they join the knock out stages.

*Argh, 30 seconds away from one being us, double kick in the nads if we fail to qualify because of Motherwell taking up that League cup spot too. Course Holts missed pen would've had us on 7 pts had it gone in, with a chance of the bonus point putting us on 8 pts, and a win on Sat 10 or 11 pts, qualifying no problem, all ifs and buts now though. We've only ourselves to blame as we had it in our own hands.

Good news
Hibs lost on pens to Morton so finish with 7 points having played all their games

Falkirk won on Pens so they also have 7 points with a game to play and know that a draw wins their group…. So if we win we will be better than the Group D runners up.

Based on LF’s corrected analysis…

If we get these results then I think we will go through

Aberdeen to avoid defeat
Arbroath to win
Queen’s Park & Accies to draw
Us to win

Fingers crossed on Sat, everyone will be checking results in other games to see if we pull off another miraculous cup group qualifier.

Hope we go to town on Kelty anyway, this is the last game before playing Sevco the following Sat, would be good going into it with a big win.

Dundee Utd at home, that'll do me, piece of pish.

Yeh,decent draw at home.And winnable.Mon the Lions..

Yeah, definitely a winnable game