Will Rangers win the Championship?

It's a one horse race instead of a 2 horse one, only ones missing Sevco are Celtic. All their sectarian bile has been somewhat diluted without the other arse cheek around in the Premiership. The longer they are down here the weaker both of them are getting which is good for everyone else. Best thing to happen to Scottish football was Rangers going into liquidation.

The power shifted away from the OF with the one sided voting system too which was good.

Lexi Collector wrote:Do they not need £2.5 million to survive 'til the end of the season? Wouldn't want them to go out of business because a lot of people's jobs rely on Rangers, and the top end of the SPL is incredibly dull these days. I think it'd be funny if they got chucked into League 2 or something again though.

Disagree mate, sorry. Aren't they essentially running a skeleton staff structure to save costs at the moment? Fact is, it's not as if the sort of jobs that 95% of Rangers' employees aren't available elsewhere, in other, less questionable, places. They are a total stain on Scottish society as a self-proclaimed "institution" and readily promote a vulgar attitude in various aspects of life. Their fans are also total mouth-breathers to a man, as demonstrated by some of the reaction on social media to Gibbons' tackle a few weeks ago.

The sooner they and the other cheek of the bigoted arse get to fuck, the better.

Not will they win the league but is about them and may have implications on newco penalties from the SPFL (wont hold my breath waiting though).

Shocking segment on Sportscene asking Stevie Thompson & Stuart McCall about whether their titles should be stripped from them, no prizes for guessing who they sided with but the Sportscene sevco apologists then just moved on without any counter argument, disgraceful bias from them.

Good blog from Alex Thompson though: http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-cheated-football-fraudulent-silverware/10066

Should Livi be stripped of the League Cup for paying wages they couldn't afford in order to have a better squad of players available to pick from?

Nope. I don't think Rangers should be stripped of their titles either.

Bertie Bassett wrote:Should Livi be stripped of the League Cup for paying wages they couldn't afford in order to have a better squad of players available to pick from?

Did we deliberately cheat to gain a sporting advantage? I don't think it is the same things Bertie, at the time of our admin every club had an overdraft, Rangers were actually  deliberately avoiding paying tax and NI to gain a sporting advantage.

Lexi Collector wrote:Nope. I don't think Rangers should be stripped of their titles either.

They absolutely should.

Liviforever wrote:

Bertie Bassett wrote:Should Livi be stripped of the League Cup for paying wages they couldn't afford in order to have a better squad of players available to pick from?

Did we deliberately cheat to gain a sporting advantage? I don't think it is the same things Bertie, at the time of our admin every club had an overdraft, Rangers were actually  deliberately avoiding paying tax and NI to gain a sporting advantage.

Where do you draw the line at what is sporting advantage & what isn't?

If you read some of the responses to the article you "linked" there are suggestions there that the EBTs were a valid scheme. I don't know enough about them to say one way or the other. All the EBT scheme achieved was arguably getting better players to sign than they would have done without the EBTs but that is only conjecture because the players may well have signed anyway, Rangers were on a run of success anyway & drawing a higher standard of player because of that success & the promise of CL football.  

I agree that every club had an overdraft but some had bigger overdrafts than others; that gave them a sporting advantage because with a larger overdraft they could sign better players than they could actually afford; even if all clubs had overdrafts the size of overdraft determined the quality of signing.



Many opposition fans claimed we DID cheat by spending what we couldn't afford when we won the League Cup & even when we won promotion to the SPL & the hugely successful first season where we were the best team in Scotland outside the bigot brothers.

The nature of football is such that even if you do sign big name players it is no guarantee of success & we have absolutely no way of knowing what sort of squad Rangers would have had without the EBTs; they may well still have been the best side in the country; it can't be proven one way or the other. So let them have their titles; they won them on the pitch not in the boardroom. If they are guilty of tax avoidance then hit them financially....and as they claim to be the same club now as they were then...hit the current ownership in the same way that every other club that has changed hands after financial difficulties has been hit; and if that puts them into administration even better.

I highly doubt Rangers would've signed the players they did for lower wages, the EBT's gave them more spending power to get better players, they knew they were cheating, Celtic owned up to their EBT's a few months after doing the same thing because they realized they were extremely dodgy and better to sort it out quickly by owning up rather than hiding it and being caught out. Just look at the list of players Rangers used the EBT's on, managers too, it is incredible.

WHO GOT WHAT

Alan Hutton £364,000 . Made debut in 2002 and played 94 games, before £9million move to Spurs.

Alex McLeish £1.7million . Managed Rangers from 2001-06.

Alex Rae £569,000 . Midfielder arrived at Ibrox in 2004 and spent two years there. Played 34 games.

Andrei Kanchelskis £145,000 . Russian winger arrived from Fiorentina in 1998 for £5.5million.

Andrew Dickson £33,000 . Head of football administration since 2003. Previously financial controller at Ibrox.

Arthur Numan £510,000 . Dutch full-back arrived at Rangers from PSV Eindhoven in 1998 for £4.5million. Played 118 times.

Barry Ferguson £2.5million . Former youth player who became Rangers captain. Played at Ibrox from 1996-2003 and 2005-09.

Bert Konterman £300,000 . Dutch defender signed by Dick Advocaat for £4.5million in 2000.

Bert Van Lingen £65,000 . Assistant manager under Dick Advocaat from 1998 to 2002.

Billy Dodds £190,000 . Arrived in a £1.5million deal from Dundee United in 1999.

Bob Malcolm £125,000. Central defender started his career with Rangers in 1997. Played 88 games. Left for Derby County in 2006.

Carlos Cuellar £448,255 . Spanish centre-half arrived from Osasuna in £2.37million deal in 2007. Moved to Aston Villa in 2008.

Chris Burke £55,000 . Started career at Rangers, playing 96 games from 2002 to 2009. Left for Cardiff City.

Christian Nerlinger £1.8million . German midfielder signed from Borrusia Dortmund in 2001 and left in 2004.

Claudio Caniggia £1million . Argentinian signed from Dundee for £1million in 2001.

Craig Moore £1.1million . Australian centre-half played more than 90 games from 1994-98. Returned in 1999 and stayed until 2005.

Dado Prso £1.9million . Croatian striker was free transfer in 2004. Left for Dinamo Zagreb in 2007.

Dan Eggen £68,000 . Norwegian central defender signed in 2003 from Spanish club Alaves.

Sir David Murray £6.3million . Owned club from 1988-2011. They won 15 titles and 26 cups. Sold shares to Craig Whyte for £1.

Dick Advocaat £1.5million . Rangers manager from 1998-2002. Spent almost £74million to win five trophies, including two titles.

Douglas Odam £119,000 . Finance director for 15 years. Left in 2003 to take up a role within
Sir David Murray’s business empire.

Egil Ostenstad £370,000 . Norwegian forward signed from Blackburn on free transfer in 2003.

Fernando Ricksen £684,225 . Dutch right-back signed in 2000 from AZ Alkmaar for £3.75million.

Federico Nieto £24,500 . Argentine striker joined on loan deal in 2005 from Almagro. Scored once in three matches.

Gavin Rae £376,000 . Midfielder signed from Dundee in 2004 for a fee of £250,000. Moved to Cardiff in 2007.

George Adams £30,000 . Ex-player was head of youth development between 2003-05.

Graeme Souness £30,000 . Player-manager from 1986-91.

Gregory Vignal £173,000 . French defender joined on loan from Liverpool in 2004. Moved to Portsmouth in 2005.

Ian McGuinness £25,400 . Club doctor sacked after Paul Le Guen left.

Ian Murray £95,000 . Midfielder was free transfer from Hibernian in 2006. Left in 2007.

Jan Wouters £285,000 . Former Dutch midfielder joined as a coach under Dick Advocaat, then Alex McLeish. Left in 2006.

Jean-Alain Boumsong £630,000 . French centre-half joined in 2004 on free transfer. Moved to for Newcastle for £8million.

Jerome Bonnissel £48,000 . French left-back arrived in 2003 from Bordeaux.

Jesper Christiansen £320,000 . Danish goalkeeper signed in 2000 as injury cover.

Joel Le Hir £28,275 . Paul Le Guen-appointed physiotherapist from 2006 to 2007.

John Greig £40,000 . Played for club from 1961-78. Managed Rangers from 1978 to 1983. Later became a director.

John McClelland £225,000 . Appointed a director in 2000. Chairman from 2002 to 2004. Resigned last year.

Julien Rodriguez £638,000 . French centre-half signed from Monaco in 2005 for £1million. Left for Marseille in 2007.

Kevin Muscat £1million . Australian defender joined from Wolves in 2002 on free transfer. Joined Millwall in 2003.

Kris Boyd £215,000 . Signed from Kilmarnock in 2006 for £500,000. Left in 2010.

Libor Sionko £178,000 . Czech midfielder signed from Austria Vienna in 2006. Played 18 matches before signing Copenhagen in 2007.

Lorenzo Amoruso £639,000 . Italian defender signed from Fiorentina for £4million in 1997. Moved to Blackburn Rovers for £1.4million in 2003.

Martin Bain £249,000 . Chief executive of Rangers from 2005 to 2011. Resigned after Murray sold club to Whyte.

Marvin Andrews £316,025 . Centre-half from Trinidad and Tobago joined from Livingston in 2004.

Maurice Ross £120,000 . Played 78 games for Rangers from 2000 to 2005, before moving to Sheffield Wednesday.

Michael Ball £1.4million . Left-back signed from Everton in 2001 for £6.5million. Moved to PSV Eindhoven in 2005.

Michael Mols £260,000 . Dutch striker joined Rangers under Dick Advocaat. He arrived in 1999 and spent five years at Ibrox.

Mikel Arteta £674,603 . Spanish midfielder joined in 2002 and played 50 matches, scoring 12 goals. Moved to Everton.

Nacho Novo £1.2million. Spanish striker joined in 2004 from Dundee for £450,000.

Neil McCann £500,000 . Winger joined from Hearts in 1998 for £2million.

Nuno Capucho £970,000 . Portuguese winger who arrived in 2003 for £700,000.

Olivier Bernard £224,000 . French defender arrived on a free transfer in 2005.

Paolo Vanoli £592,000 . Italian left-back joined from Bologna in 2003 and played in 28 matches.
Paul Le Guen £201,250 . French manager replaced Alex McLeish in 2006. Left in January 2007 after a string of poor results.

Pedro Mendes £1million . Portuguese midfielder joined in 2008 for £3million. Joined Vituria Guimares in 2010.

Peter Lovenkrands £902,000 . Danish winger arrived in 2000 from Akademisk Boldklub for £1.3million.

Ronald De Boer £1.2million . Dutch midfielder joined in 2000 under Advocaat.

Ronald Waterreus £510,000 . Dutch goalkeeper joined Rangers in 2004 from Manchester City.

Sasa Papac £319,000 . Bosnian left-back arrived in 2006 from Austria Vienna for £450,000.

Sotirios Kyrgiakos £532,200 . Greek centre-half signed from Panathinaikos in 2005.

Stefan Klos £2million . German international keeper signed in 1999 for £800,000. Join Bayer Leverkusen in 2007.

Stephane Wiertelak £28,275 . French fitness-physiotherapy coach joined Rangers in 2006 under Le Guen.

Steven Davis £600,000 . Northern Ireland midfielder. Left for Southampton in the summer.

Steven Smith £7500 . Defender came through youth ranks and made debut in 2004.

Steven Thompson £485,000 . Joined from Dundee United in 2003 for £200,000. Went to Cardiff City in 2006.

Tero Penttila £140,000 . Finnish defender joined in 1999 for £300,000 from Haka Valkeakoski. Left in 2002 to join HJK Helsinki.

Thomas Buffel £1.2million. Belgian midfielder joined in 2005 for £2.3million from Feyenoord.

Tore Andre Flo £1.3million . Norwegian striker joined from Chelsea in 2000 for £12million. Sold for £6.75million to Sunderland in 2002.

Yves Colleau £106,200 . Former French midfielder served as assistant to Le Guen at Rennes, Lyon and Rangers from 2006 to 2007.

Zurab Khizanishvili £405,000 . Georgian defender joined on a free transfer from Dundee in 2003. Moved to Blackburn Rovers in 2005.

If the EBT's were legal then fair enough their titles would be safe but the tax man has won his appeal and if they are now found guilty then the titles were won cheating. Going by that blog Murray has admitted he used them to gain an unfair sporting advantage, only he thought they were safe from being stripped of them because they had won the first tax case.

The arrogant fecks are saying they reject any talk of titles being stripped from them, seriously, they can go reject themselves up the arse for all I care, it aint up to them what happens. They demand the SPFL moves on and doesn't look into this again, who the feck do they think they are?

Purely for their arrogance I want them stripped of the titles, but more than that, this is what's wrong from the top to the bottom of our game, crooked SFA officials pandering to the OF and not giving a monkeys about any of the other member clubs.

I just wish Turnbull Hutton was still alive to make sure the right thing is done.

Green's defence saying Rangers as a club doesn't exist and it is Sevco that owns everything, Stadium and other assets, players, the whole shooting match. He'll get his legal fees claimed against the club/Sevco if this gets accepted in court and the zombies wont be able to cling onto their claim that the club didn't die. It doesn't actually exist as anything other than a name, doesn't have any claim to the actual team or ground, Sevco owns everything.

In one of the most striking scenes of the day Brown said, referring to the company, Sevco Scotland that Green used to purchase the assets of Rangers: “The team are paid by Sevco, play at a ground owned by Sevco, are trained by a manager who is employed by Sevco and fans buy tickets from Sevco. That is the business that is being carried on.” Rangers, he argued were “a collection of assets,” noting “What is the players were sold to one person and Ibrox to another, where is the “club” then?”

Popcorn out, this is going to be fun.