Hibs v Livi

Bertie Bassett wrote:Suspect this game will end in a narrow defeat, not because they are better than us but for the aforementioned official ineptitude.

Well it ended in a draw but the 1st Hibs goal was a pen... except it shouldn’t have been, official ineptitude strikes again.

Hibs lad runs into the box, Bartley behind him & Odofin looking to block a shot, neither touch him, he tries to change direction & his right foot gives way, down he goes & the clown with a whistle points to the spot. Ridiculous.

By the way, Odoffin can play nane. He is an imposter of a footballer. Can't win headers in spite of his size and beaten to every ball. Not sure what he's showing in training but it sure as hell can't be what he did tonight

orco wrote:First half we pressed and looked slick when we were attacking. Second half we just never turned up. It was the most frustrating 45 minutes this season.
I've just watched that penalty. Allan dived. Naebuddy touched him. Robbed again.

From what I saw on Alba, first half we did look dangerous but apart from the goals didn’t really trouble their keeper, Sarkic meanwhile was earning his corn.

Penalty decision was a farce & if that had been called correctly we’d have won.... & Tiffoney missed a sitter after going past the keeper. Just waiting for the equaliser now.

Tiffoney had another chance but snatched at it from the edge of the box sending it into orbit instead of taking it in closer & placing his shot.

Rotten defending for the equaliser. Lithgow & Lamie we’re running thru treacle while Boyle sprinted through.

Just finished watching it, whit a scunner that was. It was always coming though, the minute they got that pen and scored you just knew they'd get an equaliser. We sat in all 2nd half holding on to our first half lead, their defence is suspect as feck but we never even tried to test them. Horrible defending for their equaliser too, just a ball over the top and bang, a fecking goal with only 90 seconds to go.

Yeah Odoffin and Tiffoney were pretty shite, that miss by Tiffoney was also bound to come back to haunt us, just the same as the St Johnstone game blowing a 2-0 HT lead and missing a gift to make it 3 and putting it to bed. Dunno when this run of Refereeing decisions against us is going to end either, it's just one fecking bad decision after another, and they are all costing us points.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45802083&ved=2ahUKEwijhZKL-8XlAhWSmFwKHZvmAxMQFjAJegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2TARtmVkxN-ur0jJjWD9Hs&cshid=1572506614283

I remember Jordan Jones getting banned for diving. Not that it would help Livi if Scott Allan did now.

orco wrote:https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45802083&ved=2ahUKEwijhZKL-8XlAhWSmFwKHZvmAxMQFjAJegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2TARtmVkxN-ur0jJjWD9Hs&cshid=1572506614283

I remember Jordan Jones getting banned for diving. Not that it would help Livi if Scott Allan did now.

Seems he more fell over rather than dived; did he actually appeal for a penalty?

In the equaliser was really worried by the relaxed way Lithgow seemed to be jogging back. He presumably though we had two/three other defenders and a goal keeper but he was nearest. Even if he'd hauled him down and taken the chance of a card (colour?) it would surely have been preferable at that stage of the game - Guthrie didnt have any trouble with that at the weekend.

On the one hand it's admirable of Holt not doing the usual thing that managers do and complain about how shite the officials are in games, and point out every bad decision that goes against us, but you do wonder if by not making a fuss the officials wont make that extra bit of effort to get them right when officiating our games. Levein never stopped moaning at the fourth official all first half in the Hearts game, and there was a marked change in decisions going his way, and mainly bookings against Livi.

Gerrard did it with us too, labelling us physical and reckless at times, that may have affected referees when officiating our games too. Fergie used that tactic every time he had a big game coming up, he'd be in the press all week complaining about the ref who was going to be in charge of his game, putting added pressure on him not to get a decision wrong against Utd, and in doing so prob giving them a few decisions in their favour that they shouldn't have gotten.

Wouldn't be so bad if it was the odd game we got some big decision against us, but we're only 10 games in and at least 5 of those games have had wrong refereeing decisions affecting the outcome of the game, and usually costing us points. Only the Aberdeen penalty (which was outside the box, and Keaghan being kicked) didn't cost us, as it was right at the end of the game and we'd lost anyway. Sevco twice (one in the cup), Accies, Hearts, Hibs all off the top of my head, that's 5 league games and a cup game, and at Ibrox there were 3 debatable big decisions in the one game.

Durnford wrote:

orco wrote:https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45802083&ved=2ahUKEwijhZKL-8XlAhWSmFwKHZvmAxMQFjAJegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2TARtmVkxN-ur0jJjWD9Hs&cshid=1572506614283

I remember Jordan Jones getting banned for diving. Not that it would help Livi if Scott Allan did now.

Seems he more fell over rather than dived; did he actually appeal for a penalty?

In the equaliser was really worried by the relaxed way Lithgow seemed to be jogging back. He presumably though we had two/three other defenders and a goal keeper but he was nearest. Even if he'd hauled him down and taken the chance of a card (colour?) it would surely have been preferable at that stage of the game - Guthrie didnt have any trouble with that at the weekend.

Looked like he just collapsed and dropped like a sack of spuds, Bartley being right behind him prob made the ref think there had been contact, but he shouldn't have blown for the pen unless he was absolutely sure.

On their equaliser, a Hibs player was offside and running back, I think that put our players off for a second, giving Boyle the advantage of running through (also had fresh legs just coming on as sub). It's all very well saying the offside player wasn't interfering with play, that he made no attempt to play the ball, but he obv did have an influence, by making our players hesitate going for the ball because he was offside.

Allan's knees bent and he went down. It was a deliberate act on his part. He should have been booked for cheating. But then isn't it widely known that Livi are a hard physical team. Couple that with the Hibs crowd screaming for a penalty and our useless referees allow themselves to be fooled every time.

Have waited before i posted to see the general consensus among the support after last nights debacle.Have to say there are a lot of angrey Livi fans out there at the moment,understandable to an extent.Every forum you go on to their all saying the same things over and over again.Dodgy decisions,poor timing for subs,missing sitters etc etc.Personally i feel we are shifting too many points to poor oppositions when weve had the chance to make staying in this league a helluva lot easier.Yes i know we are in the top six but we are also only five points of the bottom as well.Tiffony will be having nightmares this Halloween after his open goal miss,looked easier to score.It does of course reinforce the now six month arguement about having no strikers to back us up.Why do we keep doing it to ourselves when the answer is right in front of us?.This game among others could turn out to be pivotal at the end of the season if we persist to gift teams when its been unessesery especially due to our lack of attacking prowess and so many dodgy decisions going against us.Nevermind just Fir Park next.

Shouldn't need to score 3 goals to win a game though, it was more the way we sat in trying to hold onto that 2-0 lead that done us. Notice Holt saying he was annoyed we didn't defend to the final whistle, but surely he has to take some of the blame for setting us up trying to hold out for so long.

He's overcompensating for last season where we got caught on the break a few times, pushing for a goal, fair enough making a decision to be more aware of those lessons, but lets get a bit of common sense here, you don't try and go all out defensive for the whole 2nd half. Hibs are no mugs in attack, it's their defence that's mince, we stopped trying to press them in their own half and made it easy for them, if we'd done that against Celtic they'd have ran over the top of us.

Liviforever wrote:On the one hand it's admirable of Holt not doing the usual thing that managers do and complain about how shite the officials are in games, and point out every bad decision that goes against us, but you do wonder if by not making a fuss the officials wont make that extra bit of effort to get them right when officiating our games. Levein never stopped moaning at the fourth official all first half in the Hearts game, and there was a marked change in decisions going his way, and mainly bookings against Livi.

Gerrard did it with us too, labelling us physical and reckless at times, that may have affected referees when officiating our games too. Fergie used that tactic every time he had a big game coming up, he'd be in the press all week complaining about the ref who was going to be in charge of his game, putting added pressure on him not to get a decision wrong against Utd, and in doing so prob giving them a few decisions in their favour that they shouldn't have gotten.

Wouldn't be so bad if it was the odd game we got some big decision against us, but we're only 10 games in and at least 5 of those games have had wrong refereeing decisions affecting the outcome of the game, and usually costing us points. Only the Aberdeen penalty (which was outside the box, and Keaghan being kicked) didn't cost us, as it was right at the end of the game and we'd lost anyway. Sevco twice (one in the cup), Accies, Hearts, Hibs all off the top of my head, that's 5 league games and a cup game, and at Ibrox there were 3 debatable big decisions in the one game.

Lo and behold Holt calling for Allen to get a retrospective ban for cheating, and being critical of both referees in our last two games, well done Gary Holt. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gary-holt-blasts-cheating-scott-20783922