VAR In The Premiership

We have refs who are worse than useless so why do we expect the VAR to be any better? All the SFA has done is increased the level of incompetents involved in each match. Its simple equation, increased incompetents increases incompetence.

Yeah agree Auld Nick.

Dougal tries to use the experienced Collum and experienced VAR official both agreed on the red so it couldn't possibly be wrong argument. The same experienced Collum who had 2 red cards in 2 games rescinded for getting them wrong, that experienced ref.

Oh and the experienced ref on VAR seemed to disagree on Jack's yellow card or he wouldn't have asked Collum to go take a look at the monitor, but the egotistical prick was never going to admit he got it wrong, so he stuck with his yellow card decision being right.

And this is our top ref, mystical being in the sky help us.

Collum's red card to Clark rescinded on appeal, he really is a useless prick of a ref. https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/article/nicky-clark-red-card-appeal-won?fbclid=IwAR3051Qv-M-CQMAhKOrUsZp1mCYS7MJMm561XoLhFN9SfnRdHUIpcViIGjA

Wonder what VARdict has to say about that then, numpty ex ref was all for Collum being right.

Read on the Utd thread Kuol going in with a 2 footed challenge and only got a yellow card, which wasn't shown on sportscene, he got away with no card at all going through late on Penrice after the ball was played too, what is it about him that he's getting away with these rash challenges. Between Kuol and Cochrane's late challenge on Devlin at Tynecastle going unpunished, i'm beginning to think there is some bias towards Hearts players from officials.

I watched the Hearts game on Alba on Saturday night. Kuol is a thug. He was lucky to get away with his challenges against Livi players last week.

Yeah as i mentioned, the one on Penrice looked shocking and although we got the foul, there was no card, he had several poor tackles afterwards and still no booking, not even for persistent fouls.

Again though, the one against Penrice, and the two footed one in the Utd game, weren't shown on sportscene.  Like Utd fans, i was wanting to see his late foul again to get a good look at it and nothing, looks like they are not wanting to show his rash fouls in case it gets him a retrospective red card. The more he's getting away with it the more chance that someone is going to get a serious injury from him.

Just did a quick scan on bbc alba till i got to the Kuol booking, bent his legs as he slid in through the Utd player and took him out with his knees, still reckless and out of control. Had a high foot studs up challenge earlier on too that was dangerous looking.

His challenge on Shamal last week was a bit reckless too but again no action against him.
It makes those red cards against Holt and Pittman even more annoying. I still blame the antics of Nisbet and Baccus for influencing the referees though. Both played on fine as soon as the cards came out.

Utd have appealed Edwards red card for the follow through on Halliday, if they win that appeal they're def taking the piss, it's what Holt and Pittman were getting accused of doing by the prick on VARdict, when they actually kicked the ball and the opposition players ran in late on them, esp Pittman's one where Baccus got Pittman late on the leg but had his ankle caught at the same time. This time Edwards gets the ball and knows he's following through onto Halliday's ankle.

I've seen it all now, the rescinded red card was brought up on VAR and Dougal still maintains Collum got it right, and would've been marked down if he'd given a yellow. So even though it was the wrong decision, was rescinded on appeal, these arrogant clowns still refuse to admit they got it wrong. It shouldn't be a surprise really, but it is just ridiculous having officials that just can't accept getting decisions wrong, and will argue black is white rather than do so.

Dougal is a waste of space, his superior 'i'm right and your wrong' attitude gets on my tits, even when he's shown up to be wrong he wont admit it.

Well my VARdict so far is it's a waste of money.

Yes it has got some big decisions right, and was useful picking up incidents the ref missed, but too many mistakes have still happened for it to be a viable asset. Only yesterday we had Aberdeen and Ross County complaining about big decisions being wrong, penalties not being given, so we don't seem any better off with it.

It will no doubt get a pass with teething problems being the excuse, but there are other leagues that have been using it for years and mistakes are still being made. Interpretation of rules is still a big problem, rules also need changed, the hand ball one is ridiculous, farcical at times.

It comes back to my main objection to it from the outset… incompetent refs remain incompetent whether their tool of trade is a whistle or a video replay machine and a computer.

Well VAR finished the season with some good, bad, and downright strange decisions, in the 2nd leg play offs final game. A game that had everything, goals, a sending off, VAR review and the ref reversing his decision, downgrading the red card to a yellow, a penalty being not given, another stupid hand ball decision being awarded a penalty, dramatic comeback with County scoring 3 late goals, and a pen shoot out.

Firstly, how on earth was Thistle's player being tripped in the box not a penalty, the County player didn't get contact on the ball, and goes in and trips the Thistle player, VAR review and Walsh goes to the monitor, and doesn't give it, totally baffling decision, that would be good if he (the ref) could explain as to why he didn't think it was a foul in the box. They really need to get the refs mic'd up so we can hear an explanation on these decisions. Same as they do in rugby. Now i was rooting for County so was glad it wasn't given, but it really was ridiculous.

Thought the red being downgraded was an excellent use of VAR, and for once the ref actually did the right thing and didn't stick with his first decision, after reviewing it on the monitor himself. Tiffoney could've stayed on the ball and passed it to the Thistle player running through on goal, but no, he felt contact so stumbled a bit, more so because of him trying to stop and turn around, and went back complaining, and trying to get the County player sent off, same as they did against Ayr. Bit poetic really, the red being do downgraded, and County coming back taking it to pens, because he could potentially kept going and maybe helped them score another goal to win the match. Anyway, good decision by Walsh.

Next, the stupid hand ball rule which has blighted the game, and been a plague on Livi and other teams, since VAR came in. Made all the worse with the County player having his arm over the Thistle player's face as it hit his arm, if anything that should've been a foul to Thistle, but def not a penalty. BUT, this stupid hand ball rule allows refs to give pens when it suits them. I say that, because we've seen so many that haven't been given too, then a spate of them given with no room for common sense allowing decisions to be made on merit.

So 1 good and 2 bad for VAR and the official.

Hope to feck this hand ball rule gets changed for next season, so we don't see so many clearly wrong penalties being awarded (or if we don't, any chance of us getting them for a change, they always seem to go against us).

Wee difference of opinion. I thought the County player went for the ball with no intention to foul. He missed and the Thistle player played for the penalty much as they did with every foul they were given throughout the play offs. So if it was controversial, tough that they didn't get the benefit of the doubt for once. Shower of divers.

Not VAR up here but it makes you wonder if the same thing has happened in Scotland, with us being a lot newer to it, yet England who are years ahead have made a huge VAR blunder. A Liverpool goal chopped off for being offside when it was clearly onside, the lino flagged it, VAR checked it, and even though VAR's wee lines showed it was onside, there was a miscommunication between VAR and the match officials, and the Ref stuck to the offside decision, and started the game again at 0-0.

If them with a lot more money invested in VAR technology, and having more experience using it, are making mistakes, you can bet our incompetent rabble are too. Maybe the VAR team signaled Sevco's opener was a push on Brandon and the Ref just didn't get the message, would explain a lot.

Question is, would they ever admit to a feck up like that, or stay stum and front it out.

No way was Nick Walsh overturning the call on the field when it benefitted the blue noses and stitched us up, so I don’t think your scenario plays out in our match. However I am convinced that VAR is a b busted flush on both sides of the border because of the incompetent shower that operate it

Liverpool were so-oh stitched up in that game last night. Their first sending off was a correct decision. The disallowed goal was easily onside and the second sending off was a travesty because of the first booking. It was one of those classics. A defender is chasing an attacker. The attacker goes down and the replay clearly shows that the attacking player did the old clip my own leg and go down. VAR must have seen it. Mind you the player knowing he was already on a yellow was foolish to go in hard for the second.

I don’t think the first red merited a red, there was no malice in the tackle and Jones was unfortunate that his foot was affected by the ball, he clearly got the ball at approx the same time as the Spurs player but because of the conservation of momentum his foot continued on to the player’s ankle.

The really important one though is the disallowed Diaz goal. That should stand putting Liverpool ahead and the game then restarts from a kick off which means the play then develops in a totally different way. Spurs might still have won but we’ll never know because of inept officials and a dubious system.

The first Jota booking is a joke and if VAR is supposed to correct factual decisions, yellow cards should also be reviewed. That said, you’re right Orco, he should have known better than to risk a tackle, that said it wasn’t that bad a tackle and again no malice involved.

Have no sympathy for the player getting sent off with a 2nd yellow, even though the first booking was wrong, because when you're on a booking you should never be going in like that risking another, it was a stupid challenge with a high risk he would catch the opposition player.

VAR has shifted from interfering with every incident, to only intervening if it's a clear and obv mistake by the ref. For instance our penalty wouldn't have been given had the ref let play continue, same as it wasn't changed when he gave us it, either way VAR would've gone along with the on field decision. It was one of those not much in it incidents where either decision is allowed to stand. And the same happened with the push on Brandon for Sevco's first goal, even though that push was a lot more obvious and their player gained an advantage doing it.

All this controversy over VAR really gets up my jillops.At the best off times its an inconvenience.But all the more galling is the fact weve had to pay for it,putting a huge dent in our finances.Yeh,arguably it came to our rescue on Saturday but on the whole as has been seen time and time again,its feckin hopeless.Unfortunatly were stuck with it for the foreseeable wether we like it or not..