Patter relating to the Raif game

Totally embarrassing .
These so called pros. should donate their wages to a charity as they didn't deserve them today.
Thought they where poor against Falkirk which they were and today they were just F**king embarrassing,any pub team could rip this lot a new arsehole.

Season Ticket renewal - i'd rather stick pins in my eyes.

That first half is as bad as it gets for me. I've no idea what Burchill does next - he's berated them for poor performances in the past, and has also given them credit. Neither criticism nor praise seems to be working.

An absolutely dreadful showing.

Can't even be arsed trying to say where we went wrong today, was like we just went through the motions second half huffing and puffing with no cutting edge.

Thought we started off not too badly pressing forward with our attack, Ibra hitting one down the keepers throat etc, but as soon as Raith hit that shot I could see it going in, and then we just disappeared in the game. They cut us open down the left flank (our right) and squared it for their 2nd much like Falkirk's 2nd last week. Was all over after that.

Apart from Hippo's header that went over from close range we really made no threat 2nd half and they comfortably saw out the game. Disappointing because Raith's keeper looked dodgy as feck with pass backs and shots into him, he couldn't hold onto a ball and his kicking was terrible, but we didn't put him under any pressure and the rare occasion we hit a shot nobody followed it in to take advantage when he spilled it.

One thing that bugged me enough to mention was the HT substitution of Ibra, Mullen was murder and Ibra at least made in roads for our attack, can't understand that at all!!

Cowden got a doing and Alloa lost but we didn't attend to our own business so our superior GD will count for nothing. Last chance saloon today, can't see us making the play off spot now, looks like we're relegated.

Nahhhh, I'm fucking sick to the tits of this team. If your not performing at your work, you get sacked. Get these useless diddies to fuck. Every single one of them are an embarrassment. I'd love for us to stay up, but these guys clearly don't deserve the pleasure of staying up. Mark Burchill needs to run as well before he is forced out. His tactics and substitutions are shambolic. He's not up to it, so why are we sticking with him?
The players show no fight at all, why should we bother turning up to see them?
Every last one of them need a right good slap

Liviforever wrote:One thing that bugged me enough to mention was the HT substitution of Ibra, Mullen was murder and Ibra at least made in roads for our attack, can't understand that at all!!

Mullen was awful but not as bad as White which really is a continuation of his play last week. Mind you substituting White for Gary Glen was hardly an improvement. Have we yet had the opportunity of Hippolyte and Sekajja in the same team?

Though JD could have done a lot better with the first goal but will have to wait for the highlights.

Least-ways we didn't resort to booting the ball aimlessly up field so that , at least, was an improvement on last week.

And can anyone tell me who was in defence; they seemed to shift around more times balls in the lotto machine. One moment Kyle Jacobs is at right back and then on the left wing, moments when Sives and Gallagher were playing up front (and I don't mean set pieces) whilst McKenna was at right back for some of the time?

Feeling really let down by some or more reliable player today but none more so than the manager himself.

Liviforever wrote:Can't even be arsed trying to say where we went wrong today, was like we just went through the motions second half huffing and puffing with no cutting edge.

Thought we started off not too badly pressing forward with our attack, Ibra hitting one down the keepers throat etc, but as soon as Raith hit that shot I could see it going in, and then we just disappeared in the game. They cut us open down the left flank (our right) and squared it for their 2nd much like Falkirk's 2nd last week. Was all over after that.

Apart from Hippo's header that went over from close range we really made no threat 2nd half and they comfortably saw out the game. Disappointing because Raith's keeper looked dodgy as feck with pass backs and shots into him, he couldn't hold onto a ball and his kicking was terrible, but we didn't put him under any pressure and the rare occasion we hit a shot nobody followed it in to take advantage when he spilled it.

One thing that bugged me enough to mention was the HT substitution of Ibra, Mullen was murder and Ibra at least made in roads for our attack, can't understand that at all!!

Cowden got a doing and Alloa lost but we didn't attend to our own business so our superior GD will count for nothing. Last chance saloon today, can't see us making the play off spot now, looks like we're relegated.

I can tell you in 3 words - we turned up. They would have been better staying at home & watching Soccer Saturday. That was the display of a team lacking leadership on the pitch, from the dugout & from the boardroom.

John Fairgrieve was an excellent football reporter in the Record & Sunday Mail, he supported Hearts but when they lost 2-0 in a cup tie to Forfar he berated the whole set up at Tynecastle & suggested that the best thing Hearts could do was to fold & sell Tynecastle for car parking space. When Hearts eventually got themselves sorted out he mentioned how glad he was that they hadn't followed his advice. Today's performance was our "Forfar" because after that the most humane thing that could be done is to put the club & supporters out of their misery. I can only hope that if the club survives I live long enough to be glad they didn't.

I agree that we started not too badly but as soon as they scored it was game over. What happened to the fight we saw against Hearts in the recent 2-3 defeat? This was shambolic, embarrassing & completely unacceptable.
Also agree that Ibra should have remained on the pitch, he was the only forward causing any kind of pressure on their defence. Watson & Barr never had it that easy when they played for us!

Durnford wrote:

Liviforever wrote:One thing that bugged me enough to mention was the HT substitution of Ibra, Mullen was murder and Ibra at least made in roads for our attack, can't understand that at all!!

Mullen was awful but not as bad as White which really is a continuation of his play last week. Mind you substituting White for Gary Glen was hardly an improvement. Have we yet had the opportunity of Hippolyte and Sekajja in the same team?

Though JD could have done a lot better with the first goal but will have to wait for the highlights.

Least-ways we didn't resort to booting the ball aimlessly up field so that , at least, was an improvement on last week.

And can anyone tell me who was in defence; they seemed to shift around more times balls in the lotto machine. One moment Kyle Jacobs is at right back and then on the left wing, moments when Sives and Gallagher were playing up front (and I don't mean set pieces) whilst McKenna was at right back for some of the time?

Feeling really let down by some or more reliable player today but none more so than the manager himself.

Then you were not watching the same game as me as this seemed to be the only tactic employed & many of them were so overhit they simply ran through to the keeper or out of play for a goal kick.

Mullen is just too easily pushed off the ball and sits there with his arms up looking for a foul and then moans like feck for the next 5 minutes about not getting one. Even on the ball he seems to run out of ideas what to do with it and just keeps going till he loses it. He had 2 great chances to put it through for a chance on goal in the first half but lost the ball because he kept it too long.

He also had a great chance to cut inside for a pass to be in on goal but just wouldn't do it and instead went wide, eventually our player gave him the ball but he had been hanging off wanting Mullen to make a run towards goal. He just frustrates the hell out of me.
I accept he's young and will hopefully learn but it isn't helping us just now when we're on the verge of relegation.

I've been itching to see Hippo and Ibra up front together but Burchill keeps subbing Ibra for Hippo, bloody annoying when White and Mullen are having bad games and being kept on.

O'Brien has been murder too but at least he was subbed early.

Glen almost made an instant impact but he went too wide when he got past the keeper and could only put it across to be cleared.

Bertie Bassett wrote:

Durnford wrote:

Liviforever wrote:One thing that bugged me enough to mention was the HT substitution of Ibra, Mullen was murder and Ibra at least made in roads for our attack, can't understand that at all!!

Mullen was awful but not as bad as White which really is a continuation of his play last week. Mind you substituting White for Gary Glen was hardly an improvement. Have we yet had the opportunity of Hippolyte and Sekajja in the same team?

Though JD could have done a lot better with the first goal but will have to wait for the highlights.

Least-ways we didn't resort to booting the ball aimlessly up field so that , at least, was an improvement on last week.

And can anyone tell me who was in defence; they seemed to shift around more times balls in the lotto machine. One moment Kyle Jacobs is at right back and then on the left wing, moments when Sives and Gallagher were playing up front (and I don't mean set pieces) whilst McKenna was at right back for some of the time?

Feeling really let down by some or more reliable player today but none more so than the manager himself.

Then you were not watching the same game as me as this seemed to be the only tactic employed & many of them were so overhit they simply ran through to the keeper or out of play for a goal kick.

Wasn't as bad as last week though when we didn't even have any players up the pitch and we kept hitting balls up to their keeper. This week we at least tried to hit it for a Livi player but over hit them a few times.

Biggest bunch of pussies to ever wear a Livingston shirt. Clearly when the fans were rightfully getting frustrated, they couldn't be arsed to try and shut us up and at least put in some effort of a comeback. That's us down now, forget the play-offs.

Easy goals to give away as usual, giving them time and space to do what they want. They were and are a pish team with a keeper who should be playing for a pub team, a CB who hasn't played for 6 months, a striker with 2 goals all season and Liam Fox. The fact that Liam Fox bossed the midfield is embarrassing beyond belief.

The only ones who deserve any sort of credit should be McKenna, Talbot and Praprotnik. Hippolyte is becoming more of a liability with the amount of fouls he gives away and Danny Mullen needs a spell on the bench because he was awful today. I've got better use to wipe my arse with my ST than to actually go to a Livi game because there's no point. Take my advice and spend your Saturday's until May watching repeats of Top Gear and horrific patter on Soccer Saturday.

Had plenty of time to think about it after the game, and I'm still pissed off with these imposters. Not as pissed off as I was when I left about 5 minutes early, which I've only ever done once before ever (coincidentally earlier in this season against Hibs). Like LiviCub says, made it far too easy and made it so easy for absolute dross like Stewart and Vaughan to put Raith in a commanding position. Credit where it's due, was fairly impressed by Callachan for them and he took his goal well, albeit I thought DJ should've done a lot better. Just a total omnishambles after that, ridiculously one-dimensional play, piss poor subsititutions and tactics - McKenna at RB for a good stretch after HT (done well, granted), Mullen miraculously staying on for the whole 90 minutes, and no plan B whatsoever. I'm praying to fuck we can somehow scrape two wins against Alloa and Cowden and maybe sneak into 9th, and at least give ourselves a bounce going into the play-offs maybe. In fairness, we didn't look close to conceding 4 or 5 let alone the double figures which Cowden did against Hearts - the players are there, when they are motivated, and play with a unity, they can grind out good performances and I am absolutely certain if they applied themselves in the past two games like they did in the double header against the JT's, we wouldn't be disgusted collectively.

That said, that's probably as bad a performance I've seen from a Livi team today, along with last week. The only players who look like they're giving a fuck are DJ, McKenna and maybe Keaghan at a push. Talbot put one hell of a shift in today and at times in the first half was playing with an intensity that the rest of those useless shitstains would've done well to replicate. Shame he went off and I hope he's not out for too long - I dread to think what Hibs will do to Rutherford down that flank. Defence as a whole looked mediocre, verging on awful, RB again remains a problem for us with Kyle and then McKenna getting punted there. Awful management not just from Burchill but the club as a whole, as soon as Donaldson was out in September we should've been straight in about getting someone in, if not to replace Dycey then at least give him a genuine challenge for it. Keaghan, for all his ability, is in a poor run of form and nothing seems to be coming off for him. Seems to me he's also lost a yard of pace since his last injury and he shouldn't be anywhere near the wide midfield positions. Should've had genuine width in the team from the word go today as we did for the second half last week, shame we were 2-0 down again when McKenna and Hippo came on. Mullen and White huffed and puffed and Mullen done the usual falling over routine, mystifying to the fucking extreme how he lasted the whole game. Needs benched because he's done nothing for weeks on end. Even more mystifying why Ibra's been hooked at HT twice in two games, looked a handful again and although he's not the greatest I'd much prefer his mobility up front than have him watching the second 45 from the stand. Kyle, O'Brien, Praprotnik and Glen - anonymous.

Will go to the cup final but I'm not even sure I can be arsed going to the home games despite having a ST. Players looked like they've given up the ghost, Burchill's run out of ideas and resorted to type, the non-existant board seem more than content to scam whatever money the silly fuckers who pay to get in are willing to pay and do next to nothing otherwise. Seriously contemplating whether or not I'll renew next season, as we've already seen this season with the half-season tickets and PAtG prices, this board have made a total meal of them.

Would be nice to see the players come out and buck up their ideas but it's totally wishful thinking, and nothing like that ever happens in Scottish football. Quite happy to pick up their wage and take little to no responsibility for turning in shite performances like that. If I couldn't be arsed with my work and/or consistantly put in shite performances I'd be out the door. I fail to see why this bunch of overhyped wannabees are any different.

TL; DR: We're shite.

We are pish but for all the praise Ibra gets for running about and stuff he missed a huge chance to put us 1-0 up unfortunately that miss proved crucial!

I think it was harsh he was subbed at half time as Mullen was clearly having a stinker!

Nej is a joke of a player, gets a game because Burchy is told to play him - embarrassing management.

Praprotnik seems like a bit of a cunt, tbh.

Thought he played well in a couple of games before he got sent off against Hearts. Didn't have a god game against Raith though. Has stuck with it all through McGlynn's time in being ignored, why the animosity towards him now?

Who is telling Burchill to play him and to what purpose, he's been here long enough without being played so strange that he's suddenly important enough that he has to get in the first 11 now.

Liviv to die ?
Is the definte info if so no wonder wre are in such a state. If a player is playing and it is not on merit the whole team is destroyed and here is why, what the hell is the point in training hard knowing you can break into the team with the flip side being why train hard when you know you are walking into the team.
In the Hearts game a blind man could see Nej was going to get a second yellow and couldnt understand why Burchill never subbed him perhaps you are correct and this is coming from above which is a absolute disgrace and i for one wont be back next year.
Also not one person has defended Mullen and to a fan cant understand how he is still getting 90 minutes perhaps there are a few guarenteed games and as i state above this will destroy team spirit look how The Rangers had to back track when Mcdowall recently stated that he had been ordered to play the Newcastle players - mindblowing but explains a lot im disgusted but may be a reason why three quarters of the team look like they arnt intersted !!!

Good shot for their first goal but watched it on the Raith tv from the East stand and DJ looks slow getting down to it.

2nd goal is just dreadful defending with their scorer not being picked up and having bags of space for a tap in.

On Raith tv highlights Ibra really should've scored, had he hit it to either side of the keeper it was a goal, but again our season has been full of us blowing chances in front of goal. Hippo too should've hit the net with his free header, just not enough quality in front of goal from this team from any of our strikers.

Liviforever wrote:


Good shot for their first goal but watched it on the Raith tv from the East stand and DJ looks slow getting down to it.

2nd goal is just dreadful defending with their scorer not being picked up and having bags of space for a tap in.

On Raith tv highlights Ibra really should've scored, had he hit it to either side of the keeper it was a goal, but again our season has been full of us blowing chances in front of goal. Hippo too should've hit the net with his free header, just not enough quality in front of goal from this team from any of our strikers.

Not watched the "highlights" but I thought that at the time...and not for the first time this season. He seems to be better at instinctive reaction saves (may explain his penalty record) but seems slow when a shot comes in from distance. The 1st goal was almost a replica of the 1st Hearts goal in the 3-2 game.

Ibra should have scored but at least he hit the target, same with Hippo on a shot in the second half & Hippo should have done better with the header but mistimed the jump.

You called it in January when you said we needed an experienced striker...we didn't get one & we are struggling in front of goal....which only highlights the lack of leadership off the pitch.

Bertie Bassett wrote:

Liviforever wrote:


Good shot for their first goal but watched it on the Raith tv from the East stand and DJ looks slow getting down to it.

2nd goal is just dreadful defending with their scorer not being picked up and having bags of space for a tap in.

On Raith tv highlights Ibra really should've scored, had he hit it to either side of the keeper it was a goal, but again our season has been full of us blowing chances in front of goal. Hippo too should've hit the net with his free header, just not enough quality in front of goal from this team from any of our strikers.

Not watched the "highlights" but I thought that at the time...and not for the first time this season. He seems to be better at instinctive reaction saves (may explain his penalty record) but seems slow when a shot comes in from distance. The 1st goal was almost a replica of the 1st Hearts goal in the 3-2 game.

Ibra should have scored but at least he hit the target, same with Hippo on a shot in the second half & Hippo should have done better with the header but mistimed the jump.

You called it in January when you said we needed an experienced striker...we didn't get one & we are struggling in front of goal....which only highlights the lack of leadership off the pitch.

No experience striker is going to do anything unless he gets the service and the long ball bouncing off White isn't it.

Frustratingly it's not until the second half that we start using the wings; by which time Sekajja is no longer on the pitch.

Two days after the game now and I'm still pi55ed off!!!!

Bertie Bassett wrote:

Liviforever wrote:


Good shot for their first goal but watched it on the Raith tv from the East stand and DJ looks slow getting down to it.

2nd goal is just dreadful defending with their scorer not being picked up and having bags of space for a tap in.

On Raith tv highlights Ibra really should've scored, had he hit it to either side of the keeper it was a goal, but again our season has been full of us blowing chances in front of goal. Hippo too should've hit the net with his free header, just not enough quality in front of goal from this team from any of our strikers.

Not watched the "highlights" but I thought that at the time...and not for the first time this season. He seems to be better at instinctive reaction saves (may explain his penalty record) but seems slow when a shot comes in from distance. The 1st goal was almost a replica of the 1st Hearts goal in the 3-2 game.

Ibra should have scored but at least he hit the target, same with Hippo on a shot in the second half & Hippo should have done better with the header but mistimed the jump.

You called it in January when you said we needed an experienced striker...we didn't get one & we are struggling in front of goal....which only highlights the lack of leadership off the pitch.

Yeah we get chances in games, even last week where we were terrible and playing a decent team, but for most of the season our quality in front of goal just hasn't been good enough. Frustrating because in some games we've scored for fun but they've been few and far between.

Durnford wrote:

Bertie Bassett wrote:

Liviforever wrote:


Good shot for their first goal but watched it on the Raith tv from the East stand and DJ looks slow getting down to it.

2nd goal is just dreadful defending with their scorer not being picked up and having bags of space for a tap in.

On Raith tv highlights Ibra really should've scored, had he hit it to either side of the keeper it was a goal, but again our season has been full of us blowing chances in front of goal. Hippo too should've hit the net with his free header, just not enough quality in front of goal from this team from any of our strikers.

Not watched the "highlights" but I thought that at the time...and not for the first time this season. He seems to be better at instinctive reaction saves (may explain his penalty record) but seems slow when a shot comes in from distance. The 1st goal was almost a replica of the 1st Hearts goal in the 3-2 game.

Ibra should have scored but at least he hit the target, same with Hippo on a shot in the second half & Hippo should have done better with the header but mistimed the jump.

You called it in January when you said we needed an experienced striker...we didn't get one & we are struggling in front of goal....which only highlights the lack of leadership off the pitch.

No experience striker is going to do anything unless he gets the service and the long ball bouncing off White isn't it.

Frustratingly it's not until the second half that we start using the wings; by which time Sekajja is no longer on the pitch.

Two days after the game now and I'm still pi55ed off!!!!

Ibra wide open in front of goal hits it straight at the keeper. Hippo clear shot at goal hits it straight at the keeper. Hippo rises unchallenged to head off target. White shoots from outside the box almost as far wide that it would have missed a second set of goals adjacent to the existing ones. Passing the ball about in the box without getting a shot away. We created chances we just didn't take them. Meanwhile an experienced striker that we apparently had been allowing to train with us & used as a trialist in development games scored on his debut for East Fife (Dislike Riordan intensely but he is/was talented) - and before you say East Fife are 2 divisions below us, I wouldn't fancy our chances against them at the moment!

I'm of the opinion we didn't create chances on Saturday apart from Hippo's chance, Ibra's just fell to him, White's was 18 yards out, Glens he sort of made it himself then took if too wide and Danny created his too himself in the last few mins.

Defenders had pop shots in the first half but when do we actually cut teams open and get any kind of decent chances for our strikes, say a 1 on 1, you would need to go back to the Dumbarton game.

We miss the creativity of wee Scougs in midfield making things happen, I agree with Edward Snowden tho starting strikers in midfield isn't the answer, especially when they can't seem to pass for their own life's at times!

On this note would like to see what Pitman can offer!

Livi2IDie wrote:On this note would like to see what Pitman can offer!

Was surprised by how small he was but showed some interesting touches in the Falkirk match (one of the few that did)

Bertie Bassett wrote:Ibra wide open in front of goal hits it straight at the keeper. Hippo clear shot at goal hits it straight at the keeper. Hippo rises unchallenged to head off target. White shoots from outside the box almost as far wide that it would have missed a second set of goals adjacent to the existing ones. Passing the ball about in the box without getting a shot away. We created chances we just didn't take them. Meanwhile an experienced striker that we apparently had been allowing to train with us & used as a trialist in development games scored on his debut for East Fife (Dislike Riordan intensely but he is/was talented) - and before you say East Fife are 2 divisions below us, I wouldn't fancy our chances against them at the moment!

Bit unfair on Sekajja; it was hardly an "open goal" as you put it; he'd just won the ball of a defender, the defender was in the process of tacking him and he(sekajja) had the barest moment to shoot. It was at an angle with an approaching goalkeeper - hardly an open goal. He could have taken a moment to line it up but would probably have ended up getting robbed and receiving dogs abuse from the West Stand as a result.

As for East Fife being in the second division; wasn't Jordan White in the Second Division with Stirling Albion when he scored 38 goals from 77 consecutive appearances? On that basis we already have an experienced goal-scorer?

That being said we don't have the money to sign anyone at the moment, McDougall has already virtually bankrupt himself and we have no other revenue streams until the new season so its all a bit academic.

Durnford wrote:

Bertie Bassett wrote:Ibra wide open in front of goal hits it straight at the keeper. Hippo clear shot at goal hits it straight at the keeper. Hippo rises unchallenged to head off target. White shoots from outside the box almost as far wide that it would have missed a second set of goals adjacent to the existing ones. Passing the ball about in the box without getting a shot away. We created chances we just didn't take them. Meanwhile an experienced striker that we apparently had been allowing to train with us & used as a trialist in development games scored on his debut for East Fife (Dislike Riordan intensely but he is/was talented) - and before you say East Fife are 2 divisions below us, I wouldn't fancy our chances against them at the moment!

Bit unfair on Sekajja; it was hardly an "open goal" as you put it; he'd just won the ball of a defender, the defender was in the process of tacking him and he(sekajja) had the barest moment to shoot. It was at an angle with an approaching goalkeeper - hardly an open goal. He could have taken a moment to line it up but would probably have ended up getting robbed and receiving dogs abuse from the West Stand as a result.

As for East Fife being in the second division; wasn't Jordan White in the Second Division with Stirling Albion when he scored 38 goals from 77 consecutive appearances? On that basis we already have an experienced goal-scorer?

That being said we don't have the money to sign anyone at the moment, McDougall has already virtually bankrupt himself and we have no other revenue streams until the new season so its all a bit academic.

Raith's 2nd goal was further out and with more players around/in front of him than ibra's chance, had to hit it first time too with it moving across him, imo Ibra had an easier shot from closer range.

Big difference from Riordan to Jordan, the former has played and scored at a higher level than the Championship, it was a step up for Jordan playing here, Riordan has already proven himself as a goal scorer at any level in Scottish football. He's wasted his talent but he still has ability in him. Wouldn't be my choice as a long term signing with his history off field, but would sign him to dig us out a hole.

With the pattern that has developed on Jordan's scoring this season he's prob only going to score goals in 2, maybe 3 more games, which would mean he wont score in 7 or 8 of the games we've left to play, can't see that being good enough to avoid straight relegation, and apart from Mullen chipping in too there hasn't been enough goals coming from anyone else, so I think we need to sign another player who can chip in with a few or we're relegated.

We signed a player who apparently isn't fit to play so looks like we've money we can afford to waste, doubt Riordan would cost much if he's playing as a trialist for EF, Rankine is prob contributing to his wages anyway.