Liviforever wrote:Auld Nick wrote:Liviforever wrote:Auld Nick wrote:No points no credit. Levein got slated for playing no strikers against the Czechs but no credit for it nearly working.
Right now we are going down anyway so throw the kitchen sink at everyone. They could have given it a go in the first half and who knows they may have taken them by surprise. Snatched an unexpected early lead and had something to hold on to. More likely they’d have lost a goal earlier and maybe been 2 down at HT. So no big difference and could have then gone to damage limitation.
In the other games against them we were only 1 down after losing an early goal until late on and still got gubbed.
Now you're just being silly.
You can't compare Levein with Martindale either, Martindale didn't play with no strikers, Nouble was meant to be our out ball, same as he was when he scored against them early last season, he's just not as good now.
Seriously though, they'd just got the news Celtic had dropped points, and were coming at us with everything in the first half, up till the goal (which again shouldn't have stood) we were frustrating them and the plan was working. Coming out 2nd half we would've tried doing the same for the first 15 mins or so, then made a change in shape to try and get a goal. It didn't pan out like that purely because the ref fecked us. Just going for it after going in 2 goals down would prob have seen us massacred, so glad you aren't our manager Nick.
BTW our previous 2 games against them at Ibrox we lost 4-0, 4-0 and had 6 shots 2 on target in the first game, & 3 shots 0 on target in the second. So having more of a go didn't really help us much.
This is all hindsight stuff anyway, the ref does his job properly and it's a different conversation.
Don’t think I said just go for it at 2 down, not I. The post you quoted anyway but we are going down, so at least go down giving it a go. We always talk about there being no point giving it a go against the gruesome twosome but nobody ever tries, so how do we know?
but the end result was… nearly worked. Trouble with nearly worked is that it didn’t woAlso my comparison with Levein was not to suggest the tactics were similarrk.
I think it's pretty obvious how we know it wouldn't work, if it did work we'd see teams having a go all the time. Levein not playing with a striker isn't similar in any way, shape, or form to Martindale playing with one up front. Which btw was the same set up that got us a 1-1 draw last season, with Nouble scoring early and Sevco equalising in added time (Sevco time) after Boyes was red carded and Guthrie was hobbling about injured having used all our subs.
I understand your frustration, we're having a terrible season, but i think you're being overly critical on this one, we were always likely losing this game no matter the tactics, being more open would most likely have seen Sevco scoring earlier, and going to town on us, we've seen how poorly we've defended against less quality players than Sevco's, it would've been suicide going out there to have a go at them, leaving us more exposed at the back. And the same fans saying it was embarrassing having no shots at goal, would've been saying how embarrassing it was being gubbed by a cricket score, really is a no win being a manager sometimes.
I have tried to point out that I’m not saying Levein’s no strikers is the same as Martindale’s parked bus, I’m pointing out that both nearly worked which means both failed. I’d rather get gubbed trying to win than get gubbed trying not to lose. Last season we were organised and had some confidence, this season we aren’t and we don’t.
Why were we always going to lose? Berwick Rangers 1 Rangers 0, Clyde 2 Celtic 0, Darvel 1 Aberdeen 0, all cup ties I grant you but all our league matches are proverbial cup finals for us now and if that doesn’t convince you… Livingston 2 Rangers 1, Livingston 2 Celtic 0, and again I grant you we were at home as were the minnows in the cup ties but losing to the giants is not a foregone conclusion unless you go in accepting defeat before you start. If ever there was a time to just go out and get right intae them it’s now, we have nothing to lose because doing what we’re doing is taking us down. I’d rather get gubbed giving it a go than get gubbed by lying down, rolling over and playing dead.
And the only reason no one gives it a go is because they are scared to do so. They all play in Glasgow fearing the worst and then capitulate to self fulfil those fears. You’ve said it yourself this season, both halves of the Ugly Sisters are/were there for the taking this season.
